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by unhandyandy
Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:07 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: Nath-project
Replies: 32
Views: 29628

Re: Nath-project

I studied mathematical logic, what's your field? It looks like neither of us are serious enough about programming tafl: if you were serious you;d start with brandubh, if I were serious I'd be using C. :) unhandyandy wrote: ↑ Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:15 pm Didn't the original AlphaGo program also do local ...
by unhandyandy
Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:15 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: Nath-project
Replies: 32
Views: 29628

Re: Nath-project

I'm not smart and I never intended to give the impression. I just have the impression you are trying to taunt me. Sorry about that, I thought you were saying that solving brandubh was beneath you. Anyone, you certainly are smart - you're a former hnefatafl world champion! I never studied anything r...
by unhandyandy
Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:04 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: The State Of Play Tafl Online
Replies: 21
Views: 18181

Re: The State Of Play Tafl Online

I take it you've looked through the LeelaZero code?
by unhandyandy
Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:19 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: The State Of Play Tafl Online
Replies: 21
Views: 18181

Re: The State Of Play Tafl Online

I don't know of any reasonable DNN experiment for the value network before. It's a very different method. Deep Mind's achievement is very impressive, but I don't think there was any real conceptual breakthrough that wouldn't have occurred to most people in the field. So I'd definitely say that shou...
by unhandyandy
Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:12 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: Nath-project
Replies: 32
Views: 29628

Re: Nath-project

If you think about the possible black moves, that might be. For reasonable board size white has just way less moves. Since the branching factor is the geometric average... I forgot about White! :o But now that you mention it, the geometric mean might be quite comparable to go. And the branching fac...
by unhandyandy
Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:21 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: The State Of Play Tafl Online
Replies: 21
Views: 18181

Re: The State Of Play Tafl Online

AlphaGo Zero, which brought the justification for the value and policy network I'm probably wrong, but I thought those ideas came from Monte Carlo search. The results are actually results of Deep Mind (not really Google). Deep Mind got happily acquired by google to have access to google resources. ...
by unhandyandy
Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:59 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: Nath-project
Replies: 32
Views: 29628

Re: Nath-project

I'd just love to get a few mathematicians out of their respective bubbles. They became mathematicians because they like those bubbles. You have no more chance of that than I have of getting you into Brandubh. Well the way that's done in chess is from the algorithmic standpoint the same as retrograd...
by unhandyandy
Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:43 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: The State Of Play Tafl Online
Replies: 21
Views: 18181

Re: The State Of Play Tafl Online

Sorry, I wasn't clear - I meant the "web app" that plays through games. Is it server or client side? Maybe I could hack it to add editing capabilities. I think it's not only java, but plays awful. But I guess that is a question @Hagbard . I was referring to the game viewer app at http://aagenielsen...
by unhandyandy
Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:37 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: Nath-project
Replies: 32
Views: 29628

Re: Nath-project

I think we're grabbing the same elephant at different ends. Let's get back to Hnefatafl. If I'd try to solve Brandubh, I'd forward calculate positions instead of backwards to find a candidate for a variant. If one skips all permutations and rotations, there aren't that many positions. That's not how...
by unhandyandy
Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:09 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: Nath-project
Replies: 32
Views: 29628

Re: Nath-project

I strongly disagree. Since we can't have a definition of cleanness this can't be a result of a definition. Notice I employed the weasel word "almost". ;) But my point was that mathematical abstractions aren't considered useful unless they simplify the conceptual landscape. I've seen abstractions, I...